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Thursday, December 28, 2006
So what's the big deal?

Occasionally, someone says to me something along the lines of, "so what if
Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray doesn't work? If it's just water, it can't
hurt!" They also say that even if the No Pain Spray's "relief" is only
caused by the placebo effect, it at least works and so I should just shut
the hell up.

These people are missing the point. Joint pain is your body's way of
telling you that there is something wrong with your joints. When that
happens, you need a doctor, not false hope or the placebo effect. That's
why I'm opposed to people spending money on Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray -
it's money that they could be using to seek real treatment for what ails
them.

A similar, and I think even worse, example of Dr. Frank's irresponsibility
is another product of his: Dr. Frank's Allergy Relief Oral Spray.

The allergy spray is another homeopathic remedy by Dr. Frank, a mixture of
eight homeopathic ingredients that is meant for use on all your indoor and
outdoor allergies.

I called this irresponsible, and I meant it. In the case of the No Pain
Spray, the only negative will be that your joint pain will not get better,
and may even get worse if the placebo effect benefits induce you to some
physical activity that you might have otherwise avoided. This is bad, yes,
but what about people who use the allergy spray for a mold allergy?

Ignoring your body's allergic response based on the vain hope that a
bottle of water will help make you feel better strikes me as dangerous,
and Dr. Frank is irresponsible for telling people that his allergy spray
will stop their allergic responses.

posted by The Disgruntled Chemist @ 3:58 PM 9 comments links to this post

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Thursday, December 14, 2006

Just to clarify

The post below doesn't mean that the blog is 'over', but that the No Pain
Challenge is over. I still plan on taking numerous, gratuitous potshots at
Dr. Frank and at homeopathy in general, just as soon as grad school calms
down a bit. Maybe this weekend.

In case anyone is actually reading this blog, don't stop! It might get
good soon...maybe.

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Saturday, December 09, 2006

It's Over!

So the silver bottle is empty. I just opened the sealed envelope, and it
looks like the Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray was in the red bottle, which I
tried first. Without further ado, let's get to some questions that I asked
myself about the study. You know, in case you wanted to know these things
too.

Did it work?

No. No it did not. At no time in the last two weeks or so did I experience
any kind of significant relief from my joint pain. In fact, I think I
experienced significantly more pain than usual, since I was thinking about
what hurt all the time. Over the years I've gotten pretty good at just
ignoring my pain; I couldn't do that during this trial, and it was
unpleasant.

What does Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray taste like?

Mostly sugar water, with a slight cough syrup aftertaste. Your mileage may
vary.

How much money did you waste on this 'No Pain Challenge'?

One bottle of Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray (200 sprays) costs $19.95. I also
bought two identical spray bottles for $.99 each. Oh, and I almost forgot!
I also paid the shipping & handling on a (free) little book by Dr. Frank
(that was a lot smaller than I thought it would be) because I thought
making fun of it would be entertaining. Plus, it will give me something to
write about on this blog now that the challenge is done.

Should I (meaning you) buy Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray?

I'm not a doctor, and therefore am totally unqualified to give medical
advice. But since Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray is pretty much just sugar
water, I think I'm safe in saying that you probably should not buy it.

Will you try to get your money back?

Good question. I haven't decided yet. I bought it more than 30 days ago,
so I suspect that trying will be more trouble than it's worth since they
only offer a 30-day guarantee. Still, maybe I can make a weekend out of
going to Santa Barbara, playing some golf, and standing on Dr. Frank's
doorstep yelling at him until he gives me twenty bucks. I like Santa
Barbara.

Leave any other questions you have in the comments, and I will do my best
to answer them.

Tags: Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray, homeopathy, joint pain

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Friday, December 08, 2006

Silver bottle, day 5

Today is my fifth day of spraying the stuff in the silver bottle under my
tongue 36 times per day, which probably means that this trial will be over
tomorrow evening (if there was the same amount of liquid in each of these
bottles). So, how am I doing? Well, I almost stopped this experiment this
morning; I honestly didn't think I would be able to walk to work if I
didn't take some ibuprofen or something. Part of this experiment is not
taking any drugs for joint pain other than Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray, so
that I can really judge its effectiveness on managing (or, hopefully,
eliminating) my pain.

This morning, I could barely move my left knee. It was swollen as hell and
it was painful when I moved it in certain ways. It could be from playing
basketball earlier in the week, although I play basketball twice a week
and my knee usually doesn't respond like this. My other guess would be
that it's going to rain tonight or tomorrow; sometimes an impending
weather change will mess with that knee.

Either way, it hurt like a bastard, and I almost took something for the
pain.

Hey, I said almost! I toughed it out and made it to work, so that the no
pain challenge can run its conclusion. In addition to the knee thing this
morning, my jaw was still sore and my right ankle is not feeling too
great. My hands are OK, if a little stiff. Certainly I have not
experienced the reduction in joint pain that I would have hoped for by
this point. In a whole-body sort of sense, I feel pretty decent today,
better than the last couple of days, anyway.

So there's that. More tomorrow, especially if the silver bottle runs dry
and I can find out which bottle was which.

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Wednesday, December 06, 2006

Day 3 - Silver Bottle

So this is my third day of taking whatever's in the silver bottle. So far,
I haven't noticed any major effect. My right knee was killing me this
morning on my walk to the office, which is kind of new - that one hasn't
hurt for a few days. My left knee felt OK.

I certainly wouldn't say that this one provided the "immediate relief"
that Dr. Frank suggests that some people might experience. We'll see if a
few more days worth makes any difference.

Tags: Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray, joint pain, homeopathy

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Monday, December 04, 2006

I Take Requests, Apparently

Commenter FeLiXe said this the other day:

FeLiXe said...
actually I would like to add something: your answer suggests that you
haven't read much about homeopathy. but you start a blog opposing it.

you've probably run across a lot of people who are against the use of any
"chemical" without having taken any chemistry course.

Please make sure you are not doing the same with homeopathy.

It would be cool if you took one day to write about the principles of
homeopathy and what "treating with the same means".

Well, FeLiXe, I have in fact read a fair amount about homeopathy, and I
feel like I have a pretty good understanding of what it is. If you want a
book report, though, I will be happy to provide one. More people should be
exposed to the true beliefs of homeopaths.

Homeopathy was started in the early 1800s by Samuel Hahnemann, a German
physician. Hahnemann was working with the principle of "like curing like".
The idea is this: if you have a disease that gives you certain symptoms,
you should be cured by a minute dose of a compound that would produce the
same symptoms if given in a large dose. The law of similars is a very old
idea, one that was practiced by ancient peoples in Greece, Asia and the
Americas, but Hahnemann was the first (supposedly) to attempt to quantify
the principle.

Hahnemann was inspired by the successful attempts of earlier doctors to
treat malaria with Peruvian bark. Peruvian bark contains the alkaloid
quinine, which is found in small amounts in tonic water and also has
anti-malarial properties. Hahnemann started taking the bark until, at
large doses, it started giving him symptoms similar to those produced by
malaria (fever, chills, and other symptoms). He concluded that other
doctors had been able to use quinine to fight malaria because it produced
similar symptoms to the disease.

In fact, quinine (and similar drugs) can be used to treat malaria because
they bind strongly to blood proteins and form complexes which are toxic to
the parasite (Plasmodium falciparum) that causes malaria. While the case
of quinine has an explanation that's consistent with evidence-based
medicine, the principle of healing with similars is central to homeopathy.

The idea here, according to the homeopath Dr. Mercola, is that "he minute
dose [of something that cause symptoms similar to those they are already
experiencing] will stimulate the body's own healing powers without side
effects." A 2003 study gave some hope to homeopaths who believe that these
small amounts of the compounds will leave their imprint on the hydrogen
bonds in water, even if they are diluted so much that there is no chance
that any medicine will be left in the water (see this article for a review
of the math that applies to the dilution of homeopathic medicines).
Unfortunately for the homeopaths, the study was not blinded and the claims
of repeatability weren't actually backed up by anything. Any conclusions
drawn from the study should remain firmly in doubt until the issues of
repeatability are settled.

Almost every clinical trial of homeopathic remedies and the principle of
curing by similars that I've heard of has been a failure, with no effects
distinguishable from the placebo effect. According to science, homeopathy
isn't actually a medical treatment (except for maybe treating dehydration
and low blood sugar). Of course, this sort of evidence does not really
matter to homeopaths, especially those who are trying to sell a
homeopathic remedy. They usually just say that science can't show how
homeopathy works yet, and in time it will be shown to be just as good as
evidence based medicine. This claim is certainly not fallacious (since
it's impossible to disprove that something may eventually happen, given
enough time), and people can make it if they want, but they are doing so
in spite of all available evidence, specifically, that clinical trials
don't show that homeopathy works for treating disease.

Similarly, if you decide to spend your money on a homeopathic joint pain
remedy like Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray (or any other homeopathic remedy),
you should know that there is no evidence that it will do anything for
your pain, let alone for the serious underlying problems that are
indicated by the pain. You can find tons of anecdotal evidence saying that
it will work, and if that does it for you then go ahead and buy a bottle.
Just don't buy two, OK? Try it for yourself and see if it works for you -
that's what it comes down to anyway. I can't tell you what to do, I can
just give you some information and let you make a decision.

I do plan to give a recommendation after this challenge is over, though.

Should be about six days from now.

Tags: Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray, joint pain, homeopathy, Samuel Hahnemann

posted by The Disgruntled Chemist @ 7:06 PM 8 comments links to this post

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Silver bottle, day 1

After a day of sprays from the silver bottle, I can't say all that much is
different. My left knee is pretty swollen lately, and so it hurts as it
tends to do. My jaw is also still cracking and crunching, and my fingers
are aching a little bit.

In fact, I've been in a lot more pain than usual over the last week, and I
blame it directly on these sprays. See, I'm usually quite good at ignoring
any joint pain I may be having. I just put it out of my mind, and go on
with my day. I notice my knees, but the rest of it pretty much stays in
the background. Since I'm trying to judge the effectiveness of Dr. Frank's
No Pain Spray, though, I've been focusing more on what hurts and when, and
it's kind of getting old. I'm really looking forward to whatever is in the
silver bottle working, or else this challenge ending. I'll be glad to go
back to not thinking about my joint pain again.

Oh, and that post about the theory and history of homeopathy is coming one
of these days, I promise.

Tags: Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray, joint pain, homeopathy
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Sunday, December 03, 2006

The red bottle is tapped

I finished the red bottle a couple minutes ago; basically I got six full
days out of the liquid in that one. The verdict?

Eh. I don't feel much different. Jaw still hurts when I wake up, knees
still hurt and pop like crazy when I stand, hands still hurt.

Whatever's in the red bottle, it certainly did not allow me to "spray away
my pain". I will start the silver bottle tomorrow morning.

UPDATE: According to this website that I just found, a bottle of Dr.
Frank's No Pain Spray contains 200 sprays. If you don't achieve relief
before the bottle runs out (which I did not in the case of the red
bottle), you'll be using 36 sprays a day (6 sprays, 6 times per day),
and the 200 sprays will last you for 5.55 days. That's exactly how long my
red bottle lasted (both bottles were filled with the same amount of
water/Dr. Frank's), so my fears that it would last an unusually short time
for whatever reason were unfounded. This is exactly how long a bottle of
Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray is supposed to last. If you're thinking of
buying it, please keep that in mind.

Tags: Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray, joint pain, homeopathy

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About The Site

I started this blog to chronicle my test of Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray, a
homeopathic remedy for joint pain. I have two bottles, one red and one
silver. One of them contains the homeopathic remedy, and one is just
water. I will take both according to Dr. Frank's instructions and see if
either helps with my joint pain. The introductory post from this blog can
be found right here. Wish me luck!

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Could this be the end of all my joint pain?

UPDATE: Did you find this blog by Google searching? Wondering if Dr.
Frank's No Pain Spray worked for me? You should definitely  go here and
have a look at the official blog of the No Pain Challenge. I'll be testing
Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray against a spray bottle of water in a blind pain
test. Frequent updates will let you know whehter or not this stuff is
working on my own (fairly considerable) joint pain. So after reading this
post (or before, what do I care), go check out the No Pain Challenge.

Original Post:

So I saw an ad for something called "No Pain Spray" on TV the other night.
This is a little bottle of medication that you spray under your tongue
three times a day for, basically, the rest of your life. According to the
ad (and taken from their website), it will cure  "chronic (daily) pain of
joints and muscles; pain of the back, neck, elbows, shoulders, hips,
knees, wrists, hands, fingers, etc. and pain caused from arthritis,
fibromyalgia, overuse syndrome (Carpal Tunnel and TMJ), injuries, post
surgical extremity pain or pain caused from active sports exercise."

This claim made my ears perk up, because as you may know from reading this
blog, I've got about half of those kinds of pain, and some of them I'd
call chronic (the others come and go). So if it can help me, I'm
interested, and I actually paid attention to the rest of the ad.

Of course, once the word "homeopathic" came up, I knew that my joint pain
was going to be with me for a while longer. From the "formula" page of
their website:

Equal parts HPUS Rhus Toxicondendron, 30X, Bryonia Alba 6X, Ledum Palustre 6X, Sulfur 6X, Arnica Montana 30X, Ruta
Graveolens 30X, Aurum Metallicum 30X, Calc Phosphorica 30X, Apis Mellifica 6X, and Rhododendron Chrysanthum 6X. Inactive
Ingredients: Purified Water, Potassium Sorbate, Citric Acid and Natural Flavors.

So what is this stuff? Well, let's break it down. HPUS just means that
homeopaths officially recognize that ingredient as being homeopathically
active. There's a rundown of what each ingredient is supposed to do, but
if you're new to homeopathy, there's only one thing you need to know: what
"30X" and "6X" mean. The X means dilution by a factor of 10, and the
number is how many successive dilutions were done.

When they make homeopathic medicine, homeopaths start with a 10% solution
in a given solvent (water, for example) of, let's say, Arnica Montana.
Then they reduce that to 10% of its original concentration. Then they do
that 29 more times, knocking the bottle against a table or something every
time (which they call "succussion"). This process is supposed to imbue the
water with the essence of the homeopathic remedy.

By contrast, the limit at which there can not possibly be any more of the
original molecules of the homeopathic remedy in solution is 24X, based on
calculations involving Avogadro's number. That means that there is
literally no chance at all that there are any of the active ingredients
designated 30X in a spray of Dr. Frank's pain relieving spray. The 6X
ingredients are still in there, just at very low concentrations. The
objection to those, then, would be that they've never been proven to
actually cure anything. That's why Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray has, no
doubt, one of those statements on the bottle (there's not one on the
website). You know the ones: "this product has not been evaluated by the
FDA and is not meant to cure, treat, or prevent any disease", or however
it goes.

Essentially, then, Dr. Frank is trying to sell me a spray bottle full of
water for $19.95 (plus 6 bucks shipping) that will give me 200 sprays
under my tongue. If I were to follow the recommended dosages and take 4
sprays three times per day, the bottle would last me a little over 2
weeks. So how quickly is it supposed to work? According to the FAQ section
of Dr. Frank's website, I could see results in as little as an hour,
although I shouldn't be discouraged (or stop taking the medication,
naturally) if it takes up to two weeks.

This is a scam, pure and simple, designed to separate the credulous from
their money. For a minute, I thought about ordering it just to see how
serious they were about that money-back guarantee. I decided against it.

Since homeopathy relies entirely on the placebo effect, and that wouldn't
be a factor for me (since I know it's bullshit to begin with), I'd really
just be paying almost thirty dollars for a small spray bottle of water.
Dr. Frank should be ashamed of himself, though, for selling a spray that
will never cure anybody of anything (other than in a psychological sense).
People with joint inflammation need anti-inflammatories and physical
therapy, not bullshit quackery, in order to stop their joints from
deteriorating. I'll say it again: Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray is a scam. If
you found this page by Googling for this worthless product, please save
yourself 20 bucks and don't order it.

Better writers than me have written much, much more about how much of a
crock homeopathic medicine is. There's also an entire website with an
extensive summary dedicated to helping people learn why homeopathic
medicine will not make you better. Famous skeptic James Randi has even
offered a million dollar prize to anyone who can prove that a homeopathic
solution has effects that are any different from the pure solvent.
Unsurprisingly, the prize has not been claimed.

If you take anything away from this post, I hope it's this: homeopathic
remedies do not work, and Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray is a scam.

Any effects it may have are attributable to the placebo effect, and to
nothing else; this is true of homeopathic remedies in general. If you're
sick, get real treatment, not water that long ago contained some remnant
of a plant's root or something. If you've got trouble walking or moving
your joints, go to an orthropedic surgeon if you can afford it. And if you
run into Dr. Kenneth Frank on the street in Santa Barbara, call him a tool
for me, OK?

Tags: homeopathy, Dr. Frank's No Pain Spray, scams, Dr. Kenneth Frank, skepticism
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