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ama on Saturday 20 January 2024 at 10:42
“Informed consent” is a very nice tool for the frauds: Why so? Because it de facto is a legal lever AGAINST the patient.
The fraud can say: “But I informed the patient. He signed this paper, saying that I told him about x, y, z, and the pros and cons, and he signed the paper.”
The trap: No-one is there, when the patient is “informed”. Better call it, what it really is: BRAINWASHED!
The frauds even train how to brainwash the patients. They gather and discuss how to do it, and they have lawyers as aids.
What is the “informed consent” used for? It is used when a patient objects a treatment he received, realizing that he was cheated, that things went wrong, etc.. AT THAT VERY MOMENT the fraud can show the signed paper, and poof, the accusations by the patient are dust. This, and only this, is, what the “informed consent” is really for.
One detail about vaccinations is that they work. But, oh yes, but! BUT !!!!! There are so many, many risks. AND, you have to know that for instance measles is so easy so handle. We tell you all you need to know what to do, when you child has measles. And there are so many medicaments (homeopathica, of course), all well known and safe and working well. And measles is harmless anyway. It even has advantages: the children are grown up more after they lived through the infection.
The fraud tells the patient about the benefits and the risks. But it is the way he does it, which does the brainwashing. And nobody sees it, nobody hears it. And in the end the fraud has his signed paper.
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http://www.pharmamafia.com is a part dedicated to “informed consent”. There is an example, a paper a pediatrician wants parents to sign. I translated it for you with deepl.com:
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26 Dear parents,
This vaccination information sheet is for our legal protection
in the event that you wish to receive vaccinations
that deviate from the official recommendations. Please read
these lines carefully and confirm your vaccination
vaccination request with your signature
Consent
We have informed ourselves through the patient brochure, which we
or were able to consult / via the book “Impfen Pro
and Contra” / by studying the literature in detail about the effects
and side effects of vaccinations and about the course and
complications of the relevant diseases. We
are also familiar with the vaccination recommendations of the Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO).
We were able to clarify any remaining questions in a
clarified in a final discussion. We have decided on an
individual vaccination procedure.
We would like the following vaccinations for our child ______________________________________ (name)
the following vaccinations (please check yes or no in each case):
yes no
Tetanus o o
Diphtheria o o
Polio o o
Hib o o
Whooping cough o o
Hepatitis B o o
Measles o o
Mumps o o
Rubella o o
Chickenpox o o
If we wish to be vaccinated with vaccines that are not licensed
(e.g. Td, Td-Polio, Hib single vaccine), we are aware that in the
event of permanent vaccination damage, the state will not pay compensation.
Munich, …………………………
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(Signature)
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One of the tricks here: “we are aware that in the event of permanent vaccination damage, the state will not pay compensation.”
The risk is put on the parents side. So the doctor can walk along quite happily…
You all have talked with anti-vaxxers or read their papers. They are full of twists and tricks, ob brainwashing and legal tricks.
No, there is NO “informed consent”! Because people are brainwashed. As laymen in medicine AND as laymen in rhetorics they have no way to withstand the brutal force used on them.
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JK on Sunday 21 January 2024 at 10:16
You should all be delighted that considerable and relentless campaigns against homeopathy from 2006 resulted in a drastic reduction in the number of homeopaths in the UK.
What has happened since the end of the campaign is that it is the general public now driving homeopathy. in the UK. Huge public networking groups now thrive where people mostly treat themselves using other therapies as well. If they are lucky and persistent then they will even get help from the NHS as well.
There are a few busy homeopaths but not 1000s. Please show me evidence if you think otherwise.
The general public do not need informed consent to use homeopathy themselves.
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Edzard on Sunday 21 January 2024 at 10:21
you first: show us evidence that “huge networking groups now thrive where people mostly treat themselves using other therapies as well.”
[huge = several million?]
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JK on Sunday 21 January 2024 at 12:31
Tens of thousands is huge for a social media group in my not so humble opinion.
So where are all those busy UK homeopaths then?
If they are not there then how can they give informed consent?
Or are you only referring to countries like Germany?
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Edzard on Sunday 21 January 2024 at 13:13
“ens of thousands is huge”
so, where are they? evience, please!
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ama on Sunday 21 January 2024 at 11:13
JK:
“Huge public networking groups now thrive where people mostly treat themselves using other therapies as well.”
This is very funny to see: The two driving forces behind the homeopathy hype, the manufacturers and the homeopaths (MDs and naturopaths and other junkies) start campaigns, driven by THE PEOPLE. Interestingly the heads and writers of these campaigns and organizations are PR folk for just these two circles. In Germany it is easy to see. It is always the same guys behind the curtains.
The fun part: In Germany the association of homeopathic MDs, the DZVhAe, was not even able to get its own blog working. Claiming to have about 7000 members (while in reality it was much less), these guys were not even able to get together some few articles OVER YEARS! See this statistics:
2018: zero
2017: zero
2016: zero
2015: 1 blog text
2014: 6 blog texts
2013: 8 blog texts
2012: 23 blog texts
2011: 30 blog texts
2010: 21 blog texts
This was reported in
“Es ist viel zu heiß”
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=9752.0 One of the manufacturers, the DHU, started a public campaign campaign some time ago. It was, of course, a damp squib.
There is NO public campaign by ordinary citizens. It is all paid by people, who profit from selling homeopathy junk.
More Fun:
“Schon wieder eine hochnotpeinliche Megabruchlandung der Homöopathiemafia”
https://www.allaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=13044.0 “Bullshit bei den Homöopathen”
https://www.allaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=8225.0 “Lebensgefährliche Lügen des Vereins homöopathischer Ärzte DZVhÄ”
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JK on Tuesday 23 January 2024 at 12:00
Ah! Those scheming purveyors of homeopathic junk!
Please, please can ‘experts’ like you continue to try to convince the public of this.
We appreciate your help which is basically free marketing for homeopathy. Not that you would understand why.
Thanks.
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ama on Tuesday 23 January 2024 at 14:05
Sorry, Sir, you obviously lack the understanding of internet mechanics. And of mass psychology. And of journalism. Just to name a few areas…
Did you know that the TG-1 and ALLAXYS_1 are free forums? People can register there. Interestingly, homeopaths and other frauds fear it and hide under their blankets. They could register and explain their case. But since they are roasted there like hell, and they got their behinds burnt, they prefer to whine in their forums, but not enter the TG-1 or ALLAXYS-1 again.
ama
chef roaster in hell 🙂
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