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Covid-Pandemie und H5N1-Pandemie - das Ende der Menschheit und vieler anderer Tierarten => Covid-Pandemie und H5N1-Pandemie => Topic started by: Pangwall on April 04, 2024, 08:29:50 PM
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I surrender. This spaghetti is too much. It took me about 2 hours to put this material together from the shitty pieces Twitter puts online. It is just a pile of entangled spaghetti.
Either Eric Ding starts to write ONE TEXT with all the contents in it, or I will trash all coming in from him. I am fed up.
NOT THAT BULLSHIT FROM TWITTER AGAIN!!!
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1775888677064864188
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Eric Feigl-Ding @DrEricDing
⚠️WAIT HOLD UP—Pasteurization of milk actually may **not** neutralize all viruses sufficiently to stop infectivity—“many viruses cannot”. It seems that fat globules in whole milk and 2% fat milk can protect viruses from high temperature pasteurization (dairy research shows for foot and mouth disease virus)—and show residual infectivity of the virus after pasteurization. ➡️My trusted colleague points out that the USDA & CDC has presented **zero evidence** avian flu cannot survive pasteurization in whole/2% fat milk🥛. He warns that until such evidence is shown, we need to be careful of USDA/CDC’s claims that virus in milk can “reliably” be neutralized via current pasteurization temperatures.
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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1775891846075736547
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Eric Feigl-Ding @DrEricDing
2) Contrast that above study with this USDA statement that “pasteurization would kill the virus” — but without any caveats or proven evidence.
➡️folks need to keep in mind that the U.S. Dept of Agriculture is actually the **COMMERCE AGENCY FOR AGRICULTURE**—it’s mission is to protect and help agriculture industry. Public health is a side priority.
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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1775896961348173862
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Eric Feigl-Ding @DrEricDing
3) If we look at the study 📖 above, it seems that the pasteurization neutralized the virus in majority of the samples. But in 7 of the experiments… injection of the pasteurized milk sample into a naive uninfected steer ==> showed the cattle getting still infected from the pasteurized milk injection❗️
https://journalofdairyscience.org/article/S0022-0302(07)71769-1/fulltext
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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1775898896662974669
Eric Feigl-Ding @DrEricDing
4) In the U.S., pasteurization standard is 161 degrees F (or 71.7 Celsius) for a holding time of at least 15 seconds. ➡️Yet if we look at the temperatures and holding times in the study, we see the 7 samples that showed infectivity of pasteurized milk all above 72 C and 18 seconds… ➡️ even pasteurized milk infectivity at 82.5 C and 36 seconds!
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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1775900610027569286
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Eric Feigl-Ding @DrEricDing
5) There is another type of pasteurization called ULTRA-PASTEURIZATION, which requires heating to 280 degrees F (137.8 C) for 2 seconds. This is likely safest. ➡️Try to find **ultra-pasteurized milk if possible**.
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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1775903652105896365
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Eric Feigl-Ding @DrEricDing
6) Caveats:
the study in infectivity of pasteurized milk is for foot and mouth disease virus, not avian flu.
The infectivity is for injection of the milk into a naive uninfected steer, not ingestion of the milk orally.
We need true data on avian flu virus titer in pasteurized milk from USDA and CDC to know for sure.
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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1775905308784693728
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7) I agree that this milk virus titer level info is actually a high priority area for USDA / CDC to provide data on.
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Should be simple enough to prove & share data. I can't find prior data on influenza inactivation in milk (hasn't been issue until now). This would be one of the high priority experiments for @USDA to demonstrate, given outbreaks have spanned multiple weeks. Expecting data soon.
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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1775907249925296446
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8) Side datapoint on cats— cats 🐈⬛ have died of avian flu already. It seems that cats maybe getting the flu virus from somewhere like in their water (or eating dead birds) are "ingesting" and thus maybe how they got infected. A lot of variables that are very easily tested experimentally. Best thing to do is experiment and discuss, vs just blanket assume safety.
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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1775908274597941498
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Eric Feigl-Ding @DrEricDing
9) speaking of ingesting the virus, public health officials have already warned about avian flu from raw and undercooked eggs. So ingesting the virus is a thing.
And by *cooked* eggs 🥚— we mean no “runny” eggs with undercooked egg yolk! Fully cooked eggs 🍳 only folks.
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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1775908788924465447
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10) Eye infection of avian flu is a thing as well. Scientists have directly warned about conjunctivitis in humans from avian flu because our eyes have the same type of sugar-complexes as birds that allows the avian flu to infect. See thread 🧵
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👁️AVIAN FLU CONJUNCTIVITIS IN HUMANS—Scientists are worried about avian flu infecting humans via the eyes—because we humans have the same sugar-receptor-complexes as birds, which allows eye infections of #H5N1 highly pathogenic #avianflu. Avian flu experts worried about high virus levels in cow milk and farmers who milk cows. ➡️Important also not to drink raw milk, or eat cheeses made from raw milk either, CDC warns.
https://science.org/content/article/us-dairy-farm-worker-infected-as-bird-flu-spreads-to-cows-in-five-states
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